Postcode,In Use?,Latitude,Longitude,Easting,Northing,Grid Ref,Introduced,Terminated,Altitude,Population,Households,Nearest Station,Distance To Station (KM),Built Up Area,Water Company,Sewage Company,District,Ward,County Electoral Division
SA17 4AJ,Yes,51.735221,-4.302802,241082,206567,SN410065,2/1/2006 12:00:00 AM,,13,3,2,Kidwelly,1.0,Kidwelly,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4AZ,Yes,51.734510,-4.300521,241237,206483,SN412064,7/1/2014 12:00:00 AM,,16,,,Kidwelly,1.1,Kidwelly,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4BA,Yes,51.743343,-4.288874,242072,207440,SN420074,1/1/2023 12:00:00 AM,,21,,,Kidwelly,2.2,,,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4LF,Yes,51.734013,-4.297440,241448,206421,SN414064,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,28,12,4,Kidwelly,1.3,Kidwelly,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4LG,No,51.737441,-4.296890,241498,206801,SN414068,10/1/1984 12:00:00 AM,5/1/2003 12:00:00 AM,16,,,Kidwelly,1.4,,,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4LN,Yes,51.742249,-4.294280,241695,207330,SN416073,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,11,8,1,Kidwelly,1.8,,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4LP,Yes,51.749336,-4.283165,242487,208094,SN424080,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,36,6,4,Kidwelly,2.9,Mynyddygarreg,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4LR,Yes,51.751277,-4.287377,242203,208319,SN422083,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,19,1,1,Kidwelly,2.8,,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4LS,Yes,51.753971,-4.284311,242424,208612,SN424086,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,35,2,1,Kidwelly,3.1,,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4LT,Yes,51.756876,-4.281082,242657,208928,SN426089,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,43,4,2,Kidwelly,3.5,,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4LU,Yes,51.760346,-4.289444,242092,209332,SN420093,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,43,6,2,Kidwelly,3.5,,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4LW,Yes,51.746412,-4.288276,242124,207780,SN421077,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,17,11,4,Kidwelly,2.4,,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4LX,Yes,51.745774,-4.287374,242184,207707,SN421077,7/1/2005 12:00:00 AM,,20,29,12,Kidwelly,2.4,,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4NL,Yes,51.757403,-4.265907,243706,208954,SN437089,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,136,9,2,Kidwelly,4.3,,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4NP,Yes,51.756987,-4.278580,242830,208935,SN428089,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,67,3,1,Kidwelly,3.6,,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4NR,Yes,51.756561,-4.279254,242782,208889,SN427088,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,61,4,3,Kidwelly,3.6,,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4NS,Yes,51.755289,-4.278958,242798,208747,SN427087,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,62,3,2,Kidwelly,3.5,,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4NT,Yes,51.753253,-4.277798,242871,208518,SN428085,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,87,6,2,Kidwelly,3.4,Mynyddygarreg,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4NU,Yes,51.755100,-4.276674,242955,208721,SN429087,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,90,2,1,Kidwelly,3.6,,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4NW,Yes,51.755959,-4.276413,242976,208816,SN429088,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,89,14,6,Kidwelly,3.7,,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4NY,Yes,51.752416,-4.278712,242805,208427,SN428084,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,76,10,5,Kidwelly,3.3,Mynyddygarreg,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4PA,Yes,51.751190,-4.278897,242788,208291,SN427082,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,78,28,8,Kidwelly,3.2,Mynyddygarreg,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4PB,Yes,51.750284,-4.279257,242760,208191,SN427081,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,77,61,26,Kidwelly,3.1,Mynyddygarreg,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4PD,Yes,51.749478,-4.279506,242740,208102,SN427081,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,76,,,Kidwelly,3.1,Mynyddygarreg,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4PE,Yes,51.750178,-4.281005,242639,208183,SN426081,12/1/1995 12:00:00 AM,,57,6,4,Kidwelly,3.0,Mynyddygarreg,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4PF,Yes,51.749361,-4.281862,242577,208094,SN425080,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,52,33,16,Kidwelly,2.9,Mynyddygarreg,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4PG,Yes,51.745421,-4.284227,242400,207661,SN424076,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,36,7,6,Kidwelly,2.6,,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4PH,Yes,51.745643,-4.285774,242294,207689,SN422076,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,27,13,5,Kidwelly,2.5,,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4PJ,Yes,51.749881,-4.280541,242670,208149,SN426081,7/1/2009 12:00:00 AM,,65,4,1,Kidwelly,3.0,Mynyddygarreg,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4PP,Yes,51.736062,-4.298428,241387,206651,SN413066,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,17,21,7,Kidwelly,1.3,Kidwelly,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4PR,Yes,51.743768,-4.289692,242017,207489,SN420074,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,17,15,7,Kidwelly,2.2,,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4PS,Yes,51.743541,-4.289333,242041,207463,SN420074,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,19,4,1,Kidwelly,2.2,,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4PT,Yes,51.742597,-4.286562,242229,207352,SN422073,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,31,24,9,Kidwelly,2.3,,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4PU,Yes,51.744642,-4.288201,242123,207583,SN421075,3/1/2010 12:00:00 AM,,20,110,36,Kidwelly,2.3,,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4PY,Yes,51.743602,-4.288033,242131,207467,SN421074,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,23,17,5,Kidwelly,2.2,,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4RA,Yes,51.747030,-4.278238,242819,207827,SN428078,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,75,97,40,Kidwelly,3.0,Mynyddygarreg,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4RB,Yes,51.746168,-4.281875,242565,207739,SN425077,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,53,9,3,Kidwelly,2.7,Mynyddygarreg,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4RD,Yes,51.747631,-4.281108,242623,207900,SN426078,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,63,6,2,Kidwelly,2.9,Mynyddygarreg,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4RE,Yes,51.747839,-4.280568,242661,207922,SN426079,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,67,10,6,Kidwelly,2.9,Mynyddygarreg,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4RF,Yes,51.748357,-4.280305,242681,207979,SN426079,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,68,14,8,Kidwelly,3.0,Mynyddygarreg,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4RG,Yes,51.749560,-4.279481,242742,208111,SN427081,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,77,12,2,Kidwelly,3.1,Mynyddygarreg,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4RH,Yes,51.749941,-4.278863,242786,208152,SN427081,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,82,3,1,Kidwelly,3.1,Mynyddygarreg,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4RJ,Yes,51.749147,-4.280808,242649,208068,SN426080,12/1/2012 12:00:00 AM,,64,,,Kidwelly,3.0,Mynyddygarreg,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4RL,Yes,51.748692,-4.277409,242882,208010,SN428080,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,91,13,4,Kidwelly,3.2,Mynyddygarreg,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4RP,Yes,51.750008,-4.269333,243444,208139,SN434081,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,91,48,19,Kidwelly,3.7,,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4RR,Yes,51.752017,-4.265870,243690,208355,SN436083,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,101,5,2,Kidwelly,4.0,,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4RS,Yes,51.751687,-4.264346,243794,208315,SN437083,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,96,2,2,Kidwelly,4.1,,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4RT,Yes,51.753013,-4.258501,244202,208450,SN442084,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,91,7,4,Kidwelly,4.5,,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4SP,Yes,51.748734,-4.279889,242711,208020,SN427080,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,72,14,6,Kidwelly,3.0,Mynyddygarreg,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4SR,Yes,51.739494,-4.294879,241644,207025,SN416070,1/1/1995 12:00:00 AM,,19,80,29,Kidwelly,1.6,Kidwelly,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4SS,Yes,51.740132,-4.294911,241644,207096,SN416070,6/1/2014 12:00:00 AM,,19,,,Kidwelly,1.6,Kidwelly,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4ST,Yes,51.739073,-4.296205,241551,206981,SN415069,1/1/1995 12:00:00 AM,,19,62,25,Kidwelly,1.5,Kidwelly,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4SW,Yes,51.757351,-4.260181,244101,208936,SN441089,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,130,6,3,Kidwelly,4.7,,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4SX,Yes,51.738725,-4.295115,241625,206940,SN416069,5/1/2005 12:00:00 AM,,20,32,9,Kidwelly,1.6,Kidwelly,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4SY,Yes,51.734608,-4.306971,240792,206508,SN407065,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,14,15,7,Kidwelly,0.7,Kidwelly,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4TF,Yes,51.730690,-4.306830,240788,206072,SN407060,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,6,37,12,Kidwelly,0.8,Kidwelly,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4TH,Yes,51.732481,-4.299433,241305,206255,SN413062,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,20,6,2,Kidwelly,1.2,,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4TJ,Yes,51.739899,-4.298086,241424,207077,SN414070,5/1/2005 12:00:00 AM,,16,47,14,Kidwelly,1.4,Kidwelly,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4TL,No,51.730868,-4.311039,240498,206101,SN404061,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,7/1/2000 12:00:00 AM,6,,,Kidwelly,0.6,,,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4TQ,Yes,51.733520,-4.303310,241041,206379,SN410063,4/1/2009 12:00:00 AM,,11,41,15,Kidwelly,0.9,Kidwelly,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4TW,Yes,51.735089,-4.300782,241221,206548,SN412065,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,14,74,29,Kidwelly,1.1,Kidwelly,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4TY,Yes,51.738806,-4.299262,241339,206958,SN413069,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,17,103,45,Kidwelly,1.3,Kidwelly,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4UA,Yes,51.739398,-4.299321,241337,207024,SN413070,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,15,7,4,Kidwelly,1.3,Kidwelly,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4UB,Yes,51.738873,-4.298150,241416,206963,SN414069,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,19,69,35,Kidwelly,1.4,Kidwelly,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4UE,Yes,51.733381,-4.308097,240710,206374,SN407063,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,11,39,21,Kidwelly,0.6,Kidwelly,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4UF,Yes,51.732075,-4.308189,240699,206229,SN406062,6/1/1981 12:00:00 AM,,8,49,24,Kidwelly,0.7,Kidwelly,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4UG,Yes,51.732825,-4.308459,240683,206313,SN406063,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,9,30,23,Kidwelly,0.6,Kidwelly,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4UL,Yes,51.736049,-4.312389,240423,206680,SN404066,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,5,102,39,Kidwelly,0.4,Kidwelly,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4UN,Yes,51.734547,-4.314645,240262,206518,SN402065,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,6,51,20,Kidwelly,0.2,Kidwelly,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4UP,Yes,51.734121,-4.311610,240470,206464,SN404064,5/1/1994 12:00:00 AM,,9,80,27,Kidwelly,0.4,Kidwelly,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4UQ,Yes,51.733190,-4.313228,240355,206364,SN403063,10/1/2021 12:00:00 AM,,7,,,Kidwelly,0.3,Kidwelly,,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4UR,Yes,51.734369,-4.313665,240329,206496,SN403064,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,9,44,15,Kidwelly,0.2,Kidwelly,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4UW,Yes,51.733478,-4.315966,240167,206402,SN401064,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,6,2,1,Kidwelly,0.1,Kidwelly,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4UX,Yes,51.733668,-4.314064,240299,206419,SN402064,3/1/2012 12:00:00 AM,,8,,,Kidwelly,0.2,Kidwelly,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4UZ,Yes,51.736926,-4.310276,240572,206773,SN405067,5/1/2005 12:00:00 AM,,5,9,3,Kidwelly,0.5,Kidwelly,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4WA,No,51.733690,-4.316180,240153,206426,SN401064,5/1/2002 12:00:00 AM,8/1/2004 12:00:00 AM,5,,,Kidwelly,0.1,Kidwelly,,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 4WE,No,51.736943,-4.310335,240568,206775,SN405067,1/1/2009 12:00:00 AM,2/1/2009 12:00:00 AM,5,,,Kidwelly,0.5,Kidwelly,,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 5AB,Yes,51.746761,-4.298985,241386,207842,SN413078,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,35,6,3,Kidwelly,1.9,,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 5AD,Yes,51.750060,-4.291691,241901,208193,SN419081,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,29,4,2,Kidwelly,2.5,,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 5AE,Yes,51.752178,-4.294233,241733,208434,SN417084,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,56,5,2,Kidwelly,2.5,,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 5AF,Yes,51.752922,-4.298950,241410,208527,SN414085,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,102,10,5,Kidwelly,2.4,,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 5AG,Yes,51.754454,-4.292769,241842,208684,SN418086,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,54,8,3,Kidwelly,2.8,,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 5AH,Yes,51.754528,-4.290816,241977,208688,SN419086,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,30,10,4,Kidwelly,2.9,,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 5AL,Yes,51.759563,-4.292723,241863,209252,SN418092,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,48,16,7,Kidwelly,3.3,,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 5BB,Yes,51.747081,-4.296437,241563,207872,SN415078,5/1/2004 12:00:00 AM,,33,3,1,Kidwelly,2.0,,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 5EF,Yes,51.740492,-4.313732,240346,207177,SN403071,6/1/2005 12:00:00 AM,,22,21,6,Kidwelly,0.7,Kidwelly,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 5EG,Yes,51.742702,-4.311063,240538,207417,SN405074,10/1/2010 12:00:00 AM,,42,,,Kidwelly,1.0,Kidwelly,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 5EH,Yes,51.741140,-4.313243,240382,207248,SN403072,1/1/1995 12:00:00 AM,,29,17,5,Kidwelly,0.8,Kidwelly,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 5EJ,Yes,51.741132,-4.316850,240133,207255,SN401072,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,35,51,23,Kidwelly,0.8,Kidwelly,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,
SA17 5EQ,Yes,51.741111,-4.311026,240535,207240,SN405072,1/1/1980 12:00:00 AM,,23,50,22,Kidwelly,0.9,Kidwelly,Dwr Cymru Welsh Water,,Carmarthenshire,Kidwelly and St Ishmael,